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The Iranian factor

Apr 30,2018 - Last updated at Apr 30,2018

The continuous fanning of the idea that Iran is our archenemy in this embattled region has become a cash cow for the United States of America under the Trump administration. Iran as a country harbors ideas of bigger influence in the MENA and WANA region and would like to benefit from its geopolitical position to expand that sphere of influence  into Central Asia.

We, as Arabs, should not put the war option against Iran as our plan A.  We should negotiate. Of course, the Iranian style of negotiation can be a long protracted process, but it could pay off in the long run. By opting to antagonise Iran, we Arabs have gained nothing and lost immeasurable amounts of wealth. Weakening Iranian leverage in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Azerbaijan is not tenable right now. 

Israel is putting its military muscle on display, and in a recent article, published in The New York Times, Thomas Friedman cautioned and actually predicted that an eminent war will soon break out between Iran and Israel. He concluded his article by saying “fasten your seat belts”. I beg to differ with Mr. Friedman. Israel knows only too well that this war is going to be very costly and I doubt if it ever does it alone.

Thus, we hear war drums beating in Washington. At the same time, we hear President Trump asking for trillions of dollars as reparations and compensation for the efforts and lives of Americans lost in order to make the oil-rich countries wealthy and secure. 

I really would like to see a long debit and credit table to see who has been bleeding more. I am sure that the US had ensured it got more from Arab oil countries than it paid. Arabs had nothing to do with the Afghanistan war, Iranian revolution or even the rise of the Taliban or Al Nusra. Let someone do the audit.

Now, if we are to reserve our dignity as Arabs, put the Palestinian issue back on track and bring a promise of peace to the region, we need to negotiate our way with all parties and Iran first. Otherwise, we will lose all our oil proceeds stashed in dollar-denominated assets. It is time to look for a new political paradigm.

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THANKS JACK FOR YOUR RESPONSE BUT ANALYTICALLY YOU HAVE NO POINT, NO CORRELATIONS, NO LINKS AND ZERO STATISTICAL DATA TO EVEN SPECULATE ON ANY OF THE THYOTHETICAL MODEELS PRESENTED. HERE ARE THE REASONS.
1) BOMBASTIC SPEACH IS JUST WHAT IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN IN IRAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER ATTACKED ANY COUNTRY
FROM THE ARAB WORLD TO THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA, AMERICAS OR ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. REMEMBER THE
IRAN -IRAQ WAR, WHO ATTACKED WHO AND WHY WAS THAT WAR STARTED? REMEMBER THAT WE WERE ATTACKED IN 9/11 AND IT
WAS NOT IRAN WHO IN FACT SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE BARBARIC VANDALS THAT CHANGED THE WORLD TODAY. YES THE
ATTACKERS WERE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST BUT NO ONE CAN PRESENT THE STATISTICS OF THOSE WHO ATTACKED US?
2) I AM A MAN OF PEACE AND FAIRNESS AND WILL ALWAYS LAY OUT THE TRUTH EVEN IF THERE IS A PRICE TO PAY. TO SAY
THAT THE BOMBING OF A SOVERIGN NATION THAT WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH IS RIGHT IS LIKE SAYING THAT THE OVER
A MILLION CIVILIANS THAT WERE KILLED IN IRAQ BECAUSE OF THE VODOO STATISTICS THAT CLAIMED THAT SADDAM HAD
WMD IS CORRECT. BY THE WAY THE TONY BLAIR HAS CONFESSED THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE AND GOD WILL FORGIVE HIM.
3) SYRIA INVITED THEIR FRIENDS TO HELP THEM DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY THAT WAS UNDER ATTACK FROM ALL ANGLES FOR
REASON(S) THAT I CAN NOT EXPLAIN DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. DO NOT FORGET HOW ISIS GOT TO IRAQ AND SYRIA AND
MY QUESTION IS WHO RECRUITED THE SO-CALLED ISLAMIC STATE, PAID THEM AND STILL DOING SO NOW. WE WERE NOT
INVITED BY SYRIA BUT WE ARE THERE AS WELL AS MOST OF THE ARAB WORLD, WESTERN POWERS AND ALL THESE ARE
AGAINST THE UNITED NATION CHARTERS AND ALL OTHER LAWS AND RULES OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS. YES, I AM NOT
COMFORTABLE THAT IRAN IS IN SYRIA IN THE SAME WAY AS I DO FOR ALL THE ARAB FORCES THAT ARE ALSO FIGHTING
ASSAD DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY. WHO BENNEFITS FROM THIS MESS OTHER THAN THOSE WHO WANT TO CONTINUE TO SOW THE
SEEDS OF ANARCHY AND CHAOS. WHAT HAPPENED TO PEACE ON EARTH?.
4) AS YOU STATED, SOMEONE BOMBED SYRIA AND DESTROYED 200 BALLISTIC MISSILES WHICH IS AGAINST INTERNATIONAL LAW.
DID NOT BOMB RUSSIA WHO ARE THE CLIENT AND THE LIFE LINE OF ASSAD FORCES ALL OVER SYRIA?. IRRONICALLY, YOU
MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT SYRIA INVITED RUSSIA AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE THERE EVEN THOUGH I SEE ALL THESE
USE AND MISS-USE OF POOR AND DEVELOPING COUNTRIES AS AN ABUSE OF POWER AND NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT. HOW
MANY MISSILES HAS BEEN FIRED INTO SYRIA AND BY WHOM?.
5) YOU TALK ABOUT BARREL BOMBS WHICH IS NOT AGAINST THE RULE OF WARS EVEN THOUGH IT IS INHUMANE TO USE THEM
JUST AS CLUSTER, PHOSPHOROUS AND NAPAM BOMBS ARE. SAUDI ARABIA AND THEIR WAR COLLITIONS AND SUPPLIERS OF
DEADLY TOYS HAVE CONTINUED TO CREATE HARVOC IN YEMEN WHEN WHEY WERE NOT ATTACKED FIRST. WHY NOT USE ALL THE
WASTES OF BADLY NEEDED RESOURCES IN HELPING TO DEVELOP THAT REGION RATHER THAN INVESTING THESE UNLIMITTED
RESOURCES ON MISSILES, BOMBS, GUNS AND GUN POWDER? I DO NOT SEE ANY PERSON SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THESE HARVOC
JUST LIKE THEY DID WHEN BIAFRANS WERE BEING SLAUGHTERED.
MY DEAR FRIEND JACK, IF YOU CAN SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE AND PROOF OF THE REASONS WHY IRAN SHOULD NOT HELP THEIR
FRIEND AND ALLIES IN SYRIA, I WILL AGREE WITH YOU BUT YOU HAVE NONE UNLESS IF THOSE BASED ON ANY FORM OF IMAGINERY INTERPULATION AND EXTRAPULATION OF WHON WE THINK THAT IRAN "WILL" ATTACK AT SOME POINT BUT HAVE NOT DONE SO OR STATISTICALLY LIKELY TO DO SO. WHY CANT WE ALL EMULATE THE LATE RABIN, BEGIN, AND SEE THROUGH THE HONEST LENSES OF MY FAVOURITE LEADERS, JIMMY CARTER AND THE LATE KING OF JORDAN WHO BROKE THE TABOO AND MADE PEACE BETWEEN ISRAEL, EGYPT AND JORDAN. HAD MR CARTER BEEN RE-ELECTED, WE WILL NOT BE WERE WE ARE TODAY IN THAT REGION. HAVE YOU BEEN TO ILAT, AQABA, THE EGYPTIAN RED SEA RESORTS WHERE THE ISRALIS AND ALL THE ARAB COUNTRIES AND THE WORLD AT LARGE EAT TOGETHER, HAVE FUN TOGETHER AND NO ONE THINKS ABOUT BOMBS AND GUNS. I REMEMBER WHEN CARTER AND THE DOVES WERE NEGOCIATING AND FORCING ALL PARTIES TO SIGN PEACE TREATIES, THE VOICES WERE LOUD AND CRYING THAT THE WORLD WILL COME TO AN END. USING ANY MODULUS OF SURVIVAL FUNCTIONS, CAN YOU TELL ME IF WE ARE BETTER OF TODAY THAN THEN? THE IDEA THAT THE COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST CAN NOT LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE IS BASE ON FEAR AND HYPOTHETICAL MODEL THAT WE MUST BE THERE TO DIVID AND RULE THEM WHICH IS JUST NON SCIENTIFIC BUT BASED ON SENTIMENT FOR MANY REASON(S) INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO MONEY.

Dr. Ihmedi, you are respectfully confusing two issues:
1. Saudi Arabia: I agree that there is much to criticize there. Yet
2. Iran: The government of Iran has stated that it wants to liberate Mecca , Medina and Jerusalem. How is that done other than by force?
In the bombing in Syria last week the generally accepted reports are that some 200 Iranian supplied ballistic missiles were blown up.
Question: why would Iran park so many missiles there? They don’t need them to fight ISIL; the Syrians use barrel bombs.
So , in the end, even if you have concerns about Saudi Arabia’s intentions, do you not have enough objective evidence now to prove the horn meant of Iran’s military intentions and the need to stop them?

Arab nation has to get his Dignity back what is gone onder Imperialisten en let let kiss ases of middle east rich nation!

THANKS MY FRIEND WHICH YOU WILL ALWAYS BE BUT HERE ARE THE FACTS. FIRST, THOSE IN POWER ARE NEITHER HISTORIANS NOR EVEN REMEMBESRS HISTORY OTHERWISE WE WILL NOT BE IN AFGANISTISTTAN, SYRIA, YEMEN NEVER MIND IRAQ THAT WAS DESTROYED BEYOND CONTROL TODAY. CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING AND RESPOND PRICISELY;
1) YOU CONSIDER IRAN AS AN IMEPRIALIST COUNTRY, WHAT ARE WE OR WHAT SHALL WE CALL UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE AND
THE LIST GOES ON?.
2) IS IRAN AN IMPERIALIST COUNTRY BECAUSE IT CAME TO THE AID OF SYRIA WITH RUSSIA AND DUELY INVITED BY SYRIA?.
IF SO ON WHAT SIDE ARE WE IN, WHAT ARE THE SAUDIS AND GULF COUNTRIES DOING THERE?. HOW ABOUT THE WEST ALL
OF WHICH ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE REBELS AND FIGHTING ALONG SIDE THE SO-CALLED GOOD TERRORIST GRUPS? HOW MANY
COUNTRIES CAN YOU MENTION THAT WAS INVADED BY IRAN? DO NOT GET ME WRONG BECAUSE I WILL NEVER STEEP IN IRAN
FOR ANY REASON(S) SO MY POINT ARE NOT BIASED BUT FACTUALLY CORRECT AND PUBLIC RECORD. IF AND ONLY IF WE CAN
BE HONEST IN THE WORLD TODAY, OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD. PLEASE KINDLY
LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD " IMPERIALISM " IN ANY DICTIONARY TODAY AND TELL ME WHAT YOU MAY FIND. HOW
COME IRAN IS AN IMPERIALIST COUNTRY BUT SAUDI THAT WENT TO WAR IN YEMEN WITH HIS COLLIATION OF THE KILLING
ARE NOT. HOW MUCH HAS SAUDI SPENT IN YEMEN AND FOR WHAT AND WHO ARE SUPPLYING THOSE MISSILES AND GUNS THAT
ARE KILLING WOMEN, CHILDREN AND SO ON. I AM SURE YOU CAN REMEMBER THE BIAFRAN WAR AND HOW THE BOMBARDMENT
OF MARKET PLACES, CHURCHES AND OTHER PLACES OF WORSHIPS. WHICH SIDES WHERE THE JURRY AND JUDGES ON IN
THAT BRUTAL WAR?. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT QATAR IS AN IMPERIALIST AS WELL BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO OBEY
THE SAUDIS AND UAE? WHAT IS WRONG IF IRAN HAS MISSILES IN YEMEN WHEN SAUDI IS SUPER SATURATED WITH EVEN THE
WORST OF THE WORST DANGEROUS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS AND WHO ARE THE SUPPLIERS? DURING THE BIAFRAN WAR,
DID YOU SUPPORT THE SLUGHTER OF CHRISTIANS IN THE CHURCHES, MARKET PLACES AND IN THEIR HOMES?. RATHER THAN
PLAYING THE GAME OF THE ENEMEY OF MY ENEMY PUZZLE, WE AS A CIVIL SOCIETY MUST COME TOGETHER AND STOP THIS
"CRAZINESS OF TWO"
3) DO YOU LIKE THIS CHAOS, KILLINGS AND COUNTER-KILLINGS IN THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY. FROM AMMAN TO ILAT, JERICO
JERUSALEM ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES IN THE WORLD AND THE HISTORY OF ALL RELIGIONS WILL NEVER BE TRUE
AND COMPLETE WITHOUT PAYING TRIBUTES TO THESE PLACES AND THE REGION SO ARE WE HAPPY THAT THE ENTIRE REGION
HAS BECOME WAR ZONES AND IN RUINS?. ALL WHAT IS NEEDED IS COMPROMISES AND CO-EXISTENCE RATHER THAN WARS.
4) LOOK AT YEMEN, IRAQ, SYRIA, LYBIA AND TELL ME IF THE ANARCHY IN THESE PLACES IS ANY GOOD FOR HUMANITY!!!
IRAN DID NOT CAUSE ANY OF THESE CHAOS NOR DID SYRIA DO SO OR DID ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES ATTACK US ON 9/11.
5) LOOK AT OUR OWN COUNTRY, USA AND TELL ME WHY OUR CHILDREN CAN NOT AFFORD GOOD EDUCATION BECAUSE OUR
RESOURCES ARE USED TO SUPPORT TYRANTS ALL OVER THE WORLD FROM THOSE WHO ENSLAVE WOMEN TO THE STRONG MEN
THAT ARE ENGAGED IN GENOCIDES. THE SAUDIS ARE OUR FRIENDS BUT WE TURN A BLIND EYES TO THE FACT THAT SAUDI
WOMEN HAVE BEEN IN CONFINEMENT, CAN NOT DRIVE, GO OUT FREELY, TRAAVEL ON THEIR OWN OR FREE TO USE THEIR
BASIC FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS. DO NOT FORGET THAT THERE ARE NO CHURCHES, SYNAGAGUES OR ANY OTHER RELIGION
BUT ONE AS IT IS IN IRAN SO HOW CAN WE GET FIXED ON IRAN BUT GIVE OTHERS A FREE PASS?. ONLY IF AND WHEN WE
CAN ALL PLAY BY THE SAME RULES THAT WE CAN AVOID ALL THES CRIME WAVES AND MAN'S INHUMANITY TO MAN.
IN SUMMARY, AS SAID BY MY FRIEND, WE SHOULD ALL REMEMBER HISTORY IN ITS ORIGINALITY STOP INTERPULATING AND EXTRAPULATING HISTORY WITHOUT FACTS AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TO SAVE OUR UNIVERSE.

I agree with Jack 100%

I agree with Jack 100%

Dr. Ihmedi, I think you are also missing the point.
The point is that an imperialist government like Iran, which has attempted to take over Yemen, has broad influence over Iraq and Lebanon and builds and transports missiles in Syria, only understand one language, namely that those opposing it are indeed willing to pay the price of going to war and are not afraid of it.

That’s what we’ve learned from past experience. If the lesson is ignored by some, so be it. Fortunately those in power are better students of history.

AGAIN, I MUST REMIND US ALL THAT THE TOOLS OF MAKING PEACE CAN NOT AND SHOULD NOT REMAIN A ZERO SOME GAME WHIT ANY FORM OF WINNER TAKES ALL MENTALITY. IRAN MAY HAVE NUKE AMBITIONS BUT WHAT ABOUT THE QUANTITY AND QUALITIES OF NUKES PILED IN THAT REGION AND TARGETING ALMOST ALL THE CAPITALS IN THAT REGION THAT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT OR EVEN MENTION. THIS IS NOT 20 NEVER MIND 40 YEARS AGO BECAUSE ANY FORM OF MISCALCULATIONS WILL END THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT. WHY CANT WE STOP AND GIVE OUR CHILDREN AN ATOM OF CHANCE OF A BETTER LIFE?. MUTUAL DESTRUCTION OF ONE ANOTHE CAN NEVER BE AN OPTION AS IT IS UN-THINKABLE AND SO LET US MAKE HEY WHILE THE SUN SHINES.

IT IS LAUGHABLE TO SUGGEST AND NEVER MIND CATEGORICALLY STATING THAT IRAN HAS IMPERIALISTIC AMBITIONS. IF CAPTIN JACK IS CORRECT, WHANT CAN WE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD BE CALLED?. THE MOTHER OF THE IMPERIAL WIZZARD. WAHT MORE, IT TURNS MY STOMACH UPSIDE DOWN TO HEAR THE WORD HITLER BECAUSE USING HITLER AS A PARALLEL IN THIS CASE SHOWS LACK OF HUMANITY ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT HITLER'S BARBARIC CRIME WAS. NEVER AGAIN PLEASE!!. NO ONE IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE AND RELIGION SHOULD COMPARE THE ATROCITIES OF THE PAST BY HITLER TO ALL THE CRIMES ALL OVER THE WORLD TODAY COMBINED. WHAT I AM SAYING HERE IS THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. WHY SHOULD THE WEST FERMENT AND INSTIGATE MORE CHAOS AND ANARCHY IN THE MIDDLE EAST WHEN IT BENEFITS NO ONE. HOW CAN WE COMPARE KENNEDY AND KRUSCHEV FACE OFF WITH A MIXTURE OF PETROL AND FIRE IN THIS CASE. TO MY FRIEND PAUL, I DID READ THE SAME NEWS PRINT YOU READ ABOUT WHAT MOHAMMED BIN SALAM WHICH WAS SHAMEFUL. IF IN FACT THIS IS TRUE, THEN THE ENTIRE ARAB WORLD HAVE NO LEADERS, NO VOICE, NO MORAL OR ETHICS NEVER MIND HAVING THE BEST INTEREST OF THEIR PEOPLE AND THE REGION AT HEART NEVER MIND PEACE IN THAT REGION. HERE IS THE POINT, MY BEST FRIENDS WILL ALWAYS HEAR MY HONEST TRUTH OF WHAT WILL MAKE THE SAFE IN SHORT AND LONG RUN BUT NOT A POLITICAL OPIUM THAT GIVE THEM IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATIONS. I AM AND MUST REMAIN THE BROTHER OF MR GOOD AND THEREFORE MUST SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE URGLY SO THAT WE CAN TELL THE TRUTH AND SAVE THE WORLD.

This article is an example of a lesson not learned. The lesson is this” Imperialistic bullies see a willingness to negotiate as a sign of weakness and that they rely on others to be afraid of war.” We have two historic precedents that prove this lesson:
1. Hitler: He correctly calculated that the West would shy away from war and entered into the pact with Chamberlain. The result: Hitler felt empowered to conquer Europe and 60 Million people died needlessly.
2. Kruschev: He bargained that the US would not challenge him over the USSR’s nuclearization of Cuba. Kennedy did and Kruschev and co backed off. Result: No war and, 18 years later, the USSR imploded.

Israel, Saudi Arabia and the rest are right in showing Iran that its imperialistic ambitions are not negotiable. This is the language that Iran understands,

It appears others have a different perspective:

‘Mohammed bin Salman told US Jewish leaders last month the PA must accept deal or 'be quiet and stop complaining' (sic)

WAR AS PLAN "A" IS NOT EVEN AN ISSUE NOR SHOULD IRAN SUBCONTRACT ITS FOREIGN POLICY TO ANY ONE JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD. FROM VERBAL WAREFARE TO DIGITAL PRESENTATIONS OF AN INTENT TO FERMENT "WMD" ALL OVER AGAIN MAKES NO SENSE OR BENNEFITS ANY ONE AND SO THIS FIXATION ON IRAN AS THE BOOGY MAN IS MAKING MOCKREY OF "WMD". IS THERE ANY COUNTRY IN THAT REGION THAT HAS DOZENS OF NUKES, READY AND LOADED? I DO NOT FOR ANY REASON WANT WMD IN THE IRANIAN HANDS AND THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL. ALL THESE WAR DRUMS CAN EASILY GO INTO HIGH GEER OF SLIPPREY SLOPE WITH CATASTROPHIC MISCALCULATIONS.

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